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		<title>Talking About Pressure Profiling</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Hoffmann</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[﻿ Is it me or is everyone else a little surprised at the lack of discussion of pressure profiling? Most of the interesting discussion, if not just about all of it, has been over at home barista where various people are building pressure profiling units for their one group machines.  Still much of that discussion [...]]]></description>
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<p>Is it me or is everyone else a little surprised at the lack of discussion of pressure profiling?</p>
<p>Most of the interesting discussion, if not just about all of it, has been over at <a title="Home Barista" href="http://www.home-barista.com">home barista</a> where various people are building pressure profiling units for their one group machines.  Still much of that discussion remains more about how to build it, than about desirable profiles.</p>
<p>Pressure profiling is undoubtedly going to become more readily available.  Though the capacities of the Slayer, the Strada and Cimbali&#8217;s new machine are all different, they are all chasing the ability to manipulate pump pressure to improve espresso.  A lot of this desire comes from the profile of espresso produced by lever machines, which have a very different pressure profile compared to a pump driven machine.</p>
<p>Perhaps I shouldn&#8217;t be surprised, given my own experiences with pressure profiling.  I was asked, a little while back, about why I hadn&#8217;t posted anything about it and I thought I would take this opportunity to explain:</p>
<p><span id="more-1407"></span><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/82921813@N00/">John Ermacoff</a> very kindly leant me a pressure profiler that he had built for a while.  I am not going to go into exactly how it worked, but we hooked it up to one of the groups in my 2 group Synesso.  This meant that I could only use one group at a time because then I had a Cyncra, not a Hydra, so the changes in pressure would influence both groups if they were open.</p>
<p>The machine allowed for almost any profile, and included a manual and automatic mode.  I played with the manual mode for a while, but prefered the automatic mode because it was repeatable and allowed me to make specific adjustments.</p>
<p>The entire time I used it I felt lost.  Juggling dose, grind size, flow rate, volume of espresso and time is enough.  Suddenly introducing pressure variations meant that it was a lot harder to isolate the problem.  If the shot was underextracted then keeping the profile but changing one variable often resulted in chasing my own tale and very quickly burning out my palate.</p>
<p>Changing the pressure even slightly undoubtedly changed the cup.  The impact was always obvious, but rarely did I ever feel as if I had genuinely <strong>improved</strong> the cup.  By giving me so much control I ended up lost in a sea of variables from which I never really found my way out.</p>
<p>I confess that I didn&#8217;t approach this as clinically as I should have.  I didn&#8217;t record enough data and often ended up defaulting back to a very simple profile &#8211; which seems to be quite a popular one online:</p>
<ul>
<li>- A relatively lower pressure preinfusion period, lasting long enough to soak the cake (5-8s depending on dose).</li>
<li>- A smooth, relatively quick rise to 9 bars over 2-3s.</li>
<li>- A period of 9 bars lasting 7-10s</li>
<li>- A declining pressure in the remaining section, from 9 bars down to 8 or perhaps lower.</li>
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<p>This is by no means what I would claim to be the perfect profile.  It is one, however, that I could rationalise in my head.  The period of preinfusion at the start would increase the likelihood of an even extraction.  The period of declining pressure in the final third meant that we were extracting the nearly-spent coffee less aggressively, yet still adding volume to the shot &#8211; aiding balance, and reducing negative flavours.  Of course you could easily tear this theory to pieces &#8211; I just couldn&#8217;t find a better way to explain it.<sup><a href="http://www.jimseven.com/2010/01/17/talking-about-pressure-profiling/#footnote_0_1407" id="identifier_0_1407" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="If anyone has any info on the effect of pressure at that stage in the shot &amp;#8211; on caffeine extraction, oil emulsion etc etc then I would love to see it!">1</a></sup></p>
<p>One thing that surprised me was how a lever machine acts, as I had initially thought this profile would be quite close to it.  I was quite wrong &#8211; though my experiences comes from the use of a Victoria Arduino Adonis and a Scace 2.</p>
<p>In terms of pressure the lever allowed line pressure through when pulled down, as the machine has a heat exchanger for brew water.  Upon releasing the lever the pressure shot up to around 12 bars before almost immediately starting to drop down towards 0 in a fairly linear fashion.  I only found this out after I had returned the profiler, and I wish I could have tried it on the Synesso.  That way I could have dose two identical baskets had a better idea of the influence of temperature on our love affair with lever espresso.  The Scace 2 showed that initially the brew water was very stable &#8211; in the first 12-15 second after pulling the lever the temperature barely moved &#8211; maybe 0.2/0.3°C.  Then the water gradually began to decrease in temperature, losing 4 or 5°C by the end of the shot.  This makes sense.  When the lever is pulled water fills the chamber above the coffee.  Only once it starts to pass through the coffee, and lose thermal mass, dose it really start to cool off.<sup><a href="http://www.jimseven.com/2010/01/17/talking-about-pressure-profiling/#footnote_1_1407" id="identifier_1_1407" class="footnote-link footnote-identifier-link" title="Again, correct me if I am wrong here">2</a></sup></p>
<p>This profile is a very long way away from what most pressure profiling machines out there are doing &#8211; or at least what people have said they are doing.  Then again, as I said at the start, I can&#8217;t find many people talking much about it.  I guess I had hoped to see more on places like coffeed, coffeegeek, twitter or on various blogs.  Personally I&#8217;d be as interested in finding out what isn&#8217;t working for people, as much as what is.  When I asked the Cimbali engineer which profiles he liked best, he was a little evasive &#8211; in fact very few people are willing to really get behind any one profile.  I know these may change coffee to coffee, but with enough data out there I hope we&#8217;ll eventually be able to make a pretty good educated guess, the way we can with things like temperature and dose, based on the density of a particular coffee/blend.</p>
<p>I do have great hopes for pressure profiling, but at the same time realistic ones.  I don&#8217;t expect pressure profiling to discover sweetness, or flavours that have previously remained undiscovered in coffees.  I hope they can improve the clarity and presentation of them and help reduce detracting tastes and flavours.  It won&#8217;t make average greens taste great, or bad roasts acceptable.</p>
<p>Right now it seems that engineering is, for once, way ahead of the barista.  The pressure profiling machines coming can do almost anything we want &#8211; we just need to work out what that is&#8230;</p>
<p>I will close this post by saying thank you again to John Ermacoff &#8211; I learned a great deal through his incredibly generosity, and can&#8217;t wait to see what he comes up with next.
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		<title>Brew temperature</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Hoffmann</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This, shockingly enough, isn&#8217;t about espresso.  It is about brewed coffee, and the fact that brew temperature is completely wrecking my head.  We talk a lot about brew temperature but what we are really talking about is water delivery temperature. I love my Uber boiler, I love the control and the delivery temp stability.  With [...]]]></description>
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<p>This, shockingly enough, isn&#8217;t about espresso.  It is about brewed coffee, and the fact that brew temperature is completely wrecking my head.  We talk a lot about brew temperature but what we are really talking about is water delivery temperature.</p>
<p>I love my Uber boiler, I love the control and the delivery temp stability.  With this, however, has come the painful and embarrassing realisation that it doesn&#8217;t matter.  Alright, that is perhaps an overstatement &#8211; temperature has massive influence on the quality of the brew, that is undeniable.  I may love the control of the Uber, but having a consistent and controllable temperature really just shifts the problem from the exit spout to the vessel underneath.</p>
<p><span id="more-1161"></span>Espresso has a rare advantage as, despite being the most finicky and frustrating brewing method, when it comes to brew temperature we can be pretty sure it is close to the delivery temperature.  We&#8217;ve enclosed the brewing space and have a lot more consistency that way.  Put a Scace device in and measure and the number you get is as close as we can measure what the coffee would be subjected to during the brewing.  With a french press this is all very different.</p>
<p>Once you open up the brew environment a lot more factors suddenly influence the brew temperature.  The distance from exit to vessel, the temperature of the press itself, the material of the press, the level of insulation, the size of the press and the ambient temperature will all influence the brew temperature: the temperature of the coffee and water as they steep/brew.</p>
<p>In the filter brewing sector/literature we generally see a prescribed brew temperature of 92-96c measured at spray head.  We don&#8217;t see much on actual brewing liquid temperature.  Surely a plastic brew basket will create a hotter brew than a metal pan?  Will a recently used hot pan brew hotter than the first brew of the day &#8211; despite stable water delivery temperatures?  Is there any research on this?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to create a few experiments with the Extract Mojo looking at the effect on brew temperature across the brew (though I&#8217;d appreciate any help from other people out there?).  Does starting temperature matter more than total temperature spent?  If my brewing vessel radiates heat quicker &#8211; because it is wider &#8211; can I match a better insulated brew by starting hotter?</p>
<p>I have a few simple experiments in mind that I shall try and perform and post about during the week.  In the mean time any and all thoughts are welcome!
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		<title>WBC Machine Testing &#8211; Temperature Testing</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Hoffmann</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vancouver is a lovely city, but it seems it likes to rain. So we&#8217;ve all been cooped up inside testing the six machines submitted (I am glad I am not the one paying to run 6 three groups all day!) People probably want to know how this works and I will try and explain, but [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vancouver is a lovely city, but it seems it likes to rain.  So we&#8217;ve all been cooped up inside testing the six machines submitted (I am glad I am not the one paying to run 6 three groups all day!)</p>
<p>People probably want to know how this works and I will try and explain, but I warn you it isn&#8217;t massively exciting.  As a tester I have no idea how the machines performed.  The Scace devices run straight into a datalogger and then into a laptop which is kept out of view.  I will never get to see the data, unless a manufacturer chooses to publish.  Also a manufacturer will only see their data and not the other machines.</p>
<p>The testing protocol is pretty simple.  Each round consists of 14 shots pulled at varying intervals, with the device removed at certain points to simulate grinding, as well as knocking out the puck and flushing.  Each machine has four rounds of testing:  middle group only, middle group and steaming, 1st and 3rd group only and 1st and 3rd gorup with steaming.  With the latter rounds two people worked the machine, even though it was replicating one barista using this.  We did this to make sure we could be as consistent as possible in the collection of data across machines.  With the steaming we had tested each machine to see the time it took to steam 10oz of milk up to 60C, and then that time was used during the testing.</p>
<p>It hasn&#8217;t been the most fascinating testing to watch &#8211; every manufacturer was present with a technician during the testing and I think the constant counting down each action, second by second, was close to driving everyone a little crazy!</p>
<p>I think the testing has been very fair, I think the protocols are very good (though I don&#8217;t think anyone is claiming that it is beyond improvement).  If anyone has any questions I will try and answer them though if you have issues or complaints I am probably the wrong person to speak to.  Everyone seems very happy with the fairness of it, which is good.</p>
<p>Next up is grinders which will take a while, and I will write a bit more about that after we have done it.
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		<title>Brew Temperature and the Chemex</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Hoffmann</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember reading early in my coffee days that someone had done an experiment where they had compared heat loss in porcelain espresso cups of different thicknesses and found that the heat retention of the porcelain didn&#8217;t much matter because all the heat went out of the top anyway. Like a lot of what I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading early in my coffee days that someone had done an experiment where they had compared heat loss in porcelain espresso cups of different thicknesses and found that the heat retention of the porcelain didn&#8217;t much matter because all the heat went out of the top anyway.  Like a lot of what I read on the internet at the stage I didn&#8217;t question it, didn&#8217;t want to see data but instead found it interesting, tucked it into its little trivia box in the brain and moved along.</p>
<p>After some comments in the thread about using <a href="http://www.jimseven.com/2007/11/04/my-increasing-reliance-on-scales/" title="My increasing Reliance on Scales - jimseven.com">scales to brew my Chemex</a> on brew temperature I decided to perform a few rounds of experiments.  Simple really, I just placed a probe (K-type, not ideal but it will do) into the bed of coffee, poured over the water and waited to see what would happen.  The first test gae me an unexpected result.</p>
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<p>What I expected was a steady decline in temperature during the extraction, and over a couple of minutes losing a fair few degrees, due to the area of steeping coffee being quite large. When the probe was in at the top of the brew the total heat loss was about 2C.  Not much at all.  What was interesting also was the temperature gradient throughout the liquid.  At the start it was a couple of degrees from the top of the brew to the point of the filter cone and over brewing that stretched out to about 4 or 5C.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only done this experiment a few times so if you have the kit and a few extra minutes to spare I&#8217;d love to see it replicated &#8211; the coffee coming out isn&#8217;t much affected by the probe so it isn&#8217;t a wasted cup in the morning.</p>
<p>To completely and utterly hypothesize &#8211; it seems the floating crust of grounds does wonders for insulation, possibly with the help of CO2.  In the next round I&#8217;d be tempted to stir and skim like a cupping bowl to see if this accelerates the cooling.</p>
<p>Thoughts anyone?
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