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		<title>By: Josh Spyker-Elias</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2010/01/13/opting-in/#comment-101339</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Spyker-Elias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going to these older posts only because I have not read them yet.

Regarding this entry, I may be veering off topic a tad but I would like to start off by saying that I love coffee, but unfortunately don&#039;t know much about it since I have only worked in the industry less than a year.

That being said, I love fine dining as well. This year I will be attending school for chef training.

Correct me if I am wrong, but where I see coffee at right now is only in a cafe, a bistro and places that serve desserts to compliment the coffee being served.

What I would like to see, is for the specialty coffee industry to expand to more than just a syphon bar. I have not been able to find any place that when you walk in, says fine dining to you straight away and also serves specialty coffee. I visited my school today and their espresso machine was a Nespresso machine. 

To bring this about, if coffee should be as highly regarded as wine in the culinary world, I would love to go to a fine dining establishment (maybe even a black tie restaurant) and have them offer coffee (and maybe different blends of espresso) as much as they offer any other beverage. I mean think of it, what would your reaction be a a customer if they offered you a syphon brew and then upped it a notch and performed the syphon brew process table-side?

I love food. I love coffee. Why can&#039;t coffee establishments branch out and pair their coffee with something other than dessert? Why not rum? Or steak? Lamb? 

I&#039;m just saying that here on the western coast of Canada, we don&#039;t get much in the way of amazingly brewed coffee in restaurants as you do in the dedicated cafe.

Is it possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to these older posts only because I have not read them yet.</p>
<p>Regarding this entry, I may be veering off topic a tad but I would like to start off by saying that I love coffee, but unfortunately don&#8217;t know much about it since I have only worked in the industry less than a year.</p>
<p>That being said, I love fine dining as well. This year I will be attending school for chef training.</p>
<p>Correct me if I am wrong, but where I see coffee at right now is only in a cafe, a bistro and places that serve desserts to compliment the coffee being served.</p>
<p>What I would like to see, is for the specialty coffee industry to expand to more than just a syphon bar. I have not been able to find any place that when you walk in, says fine dining to you straight away and also serves specialty coffee. I visited my school today and their espresso machine was a Nespresso machine. </p>
<p>To bring this about, if coffee should be as highly regarded as wine in the culinary world, I would love to go to a fine dining establishment (maybe even a black tie restaurant) and have them offer coffee (and maybe different blends of espresso) as much as they offer any other beverage. I mean think of it, what would your reaction be a a customer if they offered you a syphon brew and then upped it a notch and performed the syphon brew process table-side?</p>
<p>I love food. I love coffee. Why can&#8217;t coffee establishments branch out and pair their coffee with something other than dessert? Why not rum? Or steak? Lamb? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just saying that here on the western coast of Canada, we don&#8217;t get much in the way of amazingly brewed coffee in restaurants as you do in the dedicated cafe.</p>
<p>Is it possible?</p>
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		<title>By: La Mano &#171; {have a nice} coffee time</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2010/01/13/opting-in/#comment-98289</link>
		<dc:creator>La Mano &#171; {have a nice} coffee time</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 05:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] between them and their extra hot venti caramel soy half-caff latte.  I&#8217;ve been considering Hoffman&#8217;s post about &#8220;opting in&#8221; and how and when to create a dialog with customers about coffee, without scaring them away with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Simon Barker</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2010/01/13/opting-in/#comment-98107</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Barker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does Icelandic beer have to do with anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does Icelandic beer have to do with anything?</p>
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		<title>By: John Piquet</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2010/01/13/opting-in/#comment-98063</link>
		<dc:creator>John Piquet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

A brilliant piece.  

We do our best to create moments by telling every (most) customer about our daily espresso and that we micro-roast everything on site. Those who want to know more will ask in future visits, or when the espresso is different AND it tastes different to them, then that often starts a conversation.

There is a distinct difference between someone who wants to sit at the bar and order a siphon coffee, or just a shot of espresso and talk coffee and someone who just wants a latte to go, but I think there our opportunities to reach both at some level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>A brilliant piece.  </p>
<p>We do our best to create moments by telling every (most) customer about our daily espresso and that we micro-roast everything on site. Those who want to know more will ask in future visits, or when the espresso is different AND it tastes different to them, then that often starts a conversation.</p>
<p>There is a distinct difference between someone who wants to sit at the bar and order a siphon coffee, or just a shot of espresso and talk coffee and someone who just wants a latte to go, but I think there our opportunities to reach both at some level.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Coffee</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2010/01/13/opting-in/#comment-98056</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 05:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know just the moment you are talking about. I love creating these moments with my customers by asking them intro questions while I make their drink. Even something as simple as &quot;How are you today?&quot; can go a long way towards building a deeper connection and having them opt in at a deeper level. I also really like utilizing the french press as a way to taste new coffee with customers. This really helps give a easy on-ramp for introducing them to some new knowledge about coffee that they may not be acquainted with. 

I like the phrase &quot;Opt-In Moment&quot; it really helps shed some light on how to provide awesome customer service by respecting someones space while noticing cues that may indicate the customers willingness to go deeper. Great post!

Jason Coffee
&lt;a href=&quot;http://coffeecupnews.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Coffee Cup News&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know just the moment you are talking about. I love creating these moments with my customers by asking them intro questions while I make their drink. Even something as simple as &#8220;How are you today?&#8221; can go a long way towards building a deeper connection and having them opt in at a deeper level. I also really like utilizing the french press as a way to taste new coffee with customers. This really helps give a easy on-ramp for introducing them to some new knowledge about coffee that they may not be acquainted with. </p>
<p>I like the phrase &#8220;Opt-In Moment&#8221; it really helps shed some light on how to provide awesome customer service by respecting someones space while noticing cues that may indicate the customers willingness to go deeper. Great post!</p>
<p>Jason Coffee<br />
<a href="http://coffeecupnews.org" rel="nofollow"> Coffee Cup News</a></p>
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		<title>By: James the Manc</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2010/01/13/opting-in/#comment-98019</link>
		<dc:creator>James the Manc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the coffee bar a place to talk in depth about origins, process, roast, etc or is that the role of a coffee retailer?  I reckon it&#039;s the places that do both, well, that give customers the most opportunities to buy in to what is wonderful about the coffee experience. Eg I know the way Monmouth leave coffee out in display bins isn&#039;t the best, but customers get it and feel safe browsing, taking in all those messages without feeling threatened or patronised. The grafting Barista beseiged by drink orders hasn&#039;t got time for all that, besides to most a well made flat white with latte art is revelation enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the coffee bar a place to talk in depth about origins, process, roast, etc or is that the role of a coffee retailer?  I reckon it&#8217;s the places that do both, well, that give customers the most opportunities to buy in to what is wonderful about the coffee experience. Eg I know the way Monmouth leave coffee out in display bins isn&#8217;t the best, but customers get it and feel safe browsing, taking in all those messages without feeling threatened or patronised. The grafting Barista beseiged by drink orders hasn&#8217;t got time for all that, besides to most a well made flat white with latte art is revelation enough!</p>
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		<title>By: James Hoffmann</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2010/01/13/opting-in/#comment-98017</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hoffmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean I should stop telling people about Kaldi?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean I should stop telling people about Kaldi?</p>
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		<title>By: The Onocoffee</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2010/01/13/opting-in/#comment-98016</link>
		<dc:creator>The Onocoffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

One of the key components that I think you touched on is the expectation on the part of the customer.  If a person has a reservation at TFL or TFD, they&#039;re expectations are different than had they popped into their local McDonald&#039;s.  Table service, decor, attitude and presentation are all components that create a distinctive whole.  

While dining at TFL, it&#039;s perfectly &quot;normal&quot; to learn a bit about the dish and its ingredients.  If you should desire deeper information, that is at the ready as well.  The captain is more than capable of &quot;geeking out&quot; as much as possible concerning the dish, its ingredients, their sourcing and the techniques used to achieve that dish.  In turn, the overall experience is superior - even if you&#039;re just a casual observer and not a fanboy.

The coffee industry doesn&#039;t offer that level of experience.  We barely offer thought beyond the basic &quot;here&#039;s your cuppa joe.&quot;  I&#039;ve always found the incongruence between &quot;the best&quot; coffeeshops proffering themselves as &quot;something special&quot; when they doing very little beyond the status quo.  To visit TFD and engage the captain on the origins of the tenderloin is expected.  To be told of the origin of the beef at McDonald&#039;s is just odd.

At least at McDonald&#039;s they&#039;re dressed neatly and uniformly - how many of &quot;the best&quot; coffee places can claim that their baristas look at least showered?  Incongruity.

We like to expend a lot of time and energy trying to convince the public that we&#039;re something special when the visual indicators point elsewhere.  We lack basic standards of appearance and environment - how possibly can we deliver something extraordinary?

Tonx complains that we have &quot;frustratingly poor resources&quot; at our disposal. Well, whose fault is that?  It is our own.  How many places have we been to where the barista is reciting from memory a description he read off a card from their roaster?  The opportunity is at hand to built a great coffee place that embodies all the best aspects that we can offer.  Are we leaning on &quot;bullshit expertise and esoteric rituals&quot; because at best we are charlatans?

To my mind, and what I&#039;m imparting to our next generation of baristas, is that we need to develop rapport with the customer.  Yes, it&#039;s important that you possess the knowledge and technical ability of our craft, but it&#039;s more important to develop that rapport and build trust.  We want our customers to come to us because they feel comfortable leaving their experience in our hands.  It&#039;s something that we as a community have been too busy being cool and knowing it all, have missed out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>One of the key components that I think you touched on is the expectation on the part of the customer.  If a person has a reservation at TFL or TFD, they&#8217;re expectations are different than had they popped into their local McDonald&#8217;s.  Table service, decor, attitude and presentation are all components that create a distinctive whole.  </p>
<p>While dining at TFL, it&#8217;s perfectly &#8220;normal&#8221; to learn a bit about the dish and its ingredients.  If you should desire deeper information, that is at the ready as well.  The captain is more than capable of &#8220;geeking out&#8221; as much as possible concerning the dish, its ingredients, their sourcing and the techniques used to achieve that dish.  In turn, the overall experience is superior &#8211; even if you&#8217;re just a casual observer and not a fanboy.</p>
<p>The coffee industry doesn&#8217;t offer that level of experience.  We barely offer thought beyond the basic &#8220;here&#8217;s your cuppa joe.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve always found the incongruence between &#8220;the best&#8221; coffeeshops proffering themselves as &#8220;something special&#8221; when they doing very little beyond the status quo.  To visit TFD and engage the captain on the origins of the tenderloin is expected.  To be told of the origin of the beef at McDonald&#8217;s is just odd.</p>
<p>At least at McDonald&#8217;s they&#8217;re dressed neatly and uniformly &#8211; how many of &#8220;the best&#8221; coffee places can claim that their baristas look at least showered?  Incongruity.</p>
<p>We like to expend a lot of time and energy trying to convince the public that we&#8217;re something special when the visual indicators point elsewhere.  We lack basic standards of appearance and environment &#8211; how possibly can we deliver something extraordinary?</p>
<p>Tonx complains that we have &#8220;frustratingly poor resources&#8221; at our disposal. Well, whose fault is that?  It is our own.  How many places have we been to where the barista is reciting from memory a description he read off a card from their roaster?  The opportunity is at hand to built a great coffee place that embodies all the best aspects that we can offer.  Are we leaning on &#8220;bullshit expertise and esoteric rituals&#8221; because at best we are charlatans?</p>
<p>To my mind, and what I&#8217;m imparting to our next generation of baristas, is that we need to develop rapport with the customer.  Yes, it&#8217;s important that you possess the knowledge and technical ability of our craft, but it&#8217;s more important to develop that rapport and build trust.  We want our customers to come to us because they feel comfortable leaving their experience in our hands.  It&#8217;s something that we as a community have been too busy being cool and knowing it all, have missed out.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2010/01/13/opting-in/#comment-98012</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tasting opportunities, are a great way to get patrons interested in coffee. If the barista can show a consumer two completely different coffees where they can be amazed at the range of flavours, the consumer will become more interested in what results in that newly discovered depth, perhaps fueling a new found desire to taste the spectrum of coffees available where the barista &lt;strike&gt;will be&lt;/strike&gt; should be well qualified to advise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tasting opportunities, are a great way to get patrons interested in coffee. If the barista can show a consumer two completely different coffees where they can be amazed at the range of flavours, the consumer will become more interested in what results in that newly discovered depth, perhaps fueling a new found desire to taste the spectrum of coffees available where the barista <strike>will be</strike> should be well qualified to advise.</p>
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		<title>By: tonx</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2010/01/13/opting-in/#comment-98010</link>
		<dc:creator>tonx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  I&#039;ve always used the analogy of a &lt;i&gt;cult initiation&lt;/i&gt; process.  Start with offering the &#039;free stress test&#039; and lay a careful path in small incremental steps toward deeper levels of understanding, knowing that only a handful of initiates will be interested in going long haul.

Our real problem in coffee isn&#039;t so much that we are failing to convert all of the masses that pour through our doors, but that we still have frustratingly poor resources for the truly interested customers that would like to become connoisseurs but instead stumble into legacy mythologies and geeky, fussy rabbit hole tangents.  Most consumer education remains of the smoke-and-mirrors variety, impressing consumers with our bullshit expertise and esoteric rituals, but imparting little in the way of useful information to help them make informed decisions or do peer advocacy.  

Collectively, we are doing more to feed the growing backlash than we are doing to slake the curiosity of the genuinely interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  I&#8217;ve always used the analogy of a <i>cult initiation</i> process.  Start with offering the &#8216;free stress test&#8217; and lay a careful path in small incremental steps toward deeper levels of understanding, knowing that only a handful of initiates will be interested in going long haul.</p>
<p>Our real problem in coffee isn&#8217;t so much that we are failing to convert all of the masses that pour through our doors, but that we still have frustratingly poor resources for the truly interested customers that would like to become connoisseurs but instead stumble into legacy mythologies and geeky, fussy rabbit hole tangents.  Most consumer education remains of the smoke-and-mirrors variety, impressing consumers with our bullshit expertise and esoteric rituals, but imparting little in the way of useful information to help them make informed decisions or do peer advocacy.  </p>
<p>Collectively, we are doing more to feed the growing backlash than we are doing to slake the curiosity of the genuinely interested.</p>
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