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	<title>Comments on: Video 4 &#8211; Great steak &amp; milk foam</title>
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		<title>By: Texture: What French Fries Can Teach Us about the Bevs We Love &#124; New England Brewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Texture: What French Fries Can Teach Us about the Bevs We Love &#124; New England Brewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a prompt I&#8217;ve started to use when training new baristas to steam milk (and, incidentally, I stole it from James Hoffman). I&#8217;ll ask you, too, dear reader: good fries, bad fries—what&#8217;s the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is a prompt I&#8217;ve started to use when training new baristas to steam milk (and, incidentally, I stole it from James Hoffman). I&#8217;ll ask you, too, dear reader: good fries, bad fries—what&#8217;s the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Phoenix poured their hearts out!&#8221; 2nd Annual Latte Art Competition and Phoenix Cooks! Re-Cap &#171; BrewlyNoted</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Phoenix poured their hearts out!&#8221; 2nd Annual Latte Art Competition and Phoenix Cooks! Re-Cap &#171; BrewlyNoted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] step. It creates white micro-foam that will lay flat atop a mixture of steamed milk and espresso. Good micro-foam is light and sweet, but compact &#8211; bubble bath foam, while fun to play with, won’t make the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] step. It creates white micro-foam that will lay flat atop a mixture of steamed milk and espresso. Good micro-foam is light and sweet, but compact &#8211; bubble bath foam, while fun to play with, won’t make the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisB</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So hard not to get caught up in the visual. Green coke, a blue banana, probably bad examples but there is a fair amount of expectation in visual like it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So hard not to get caught up in the visual. Green coke, a blue banana, probably bad examples but there is a fair amount of expectation in visual like it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike North/Marquard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike North/Marquard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very timely video. We just started selling whole bean and french press brew at our local farmers market - this is the type of market people go to in order to find very affordable produce and foods, not the type upper class folks go to buy organic and earthy products. 

On our first week we sold both a Kenyan and a Guatemalan coffee. What was remarkable is how much quicker and easier it was to sell the Guatemalan coffee. We used words like round, smooth, balanced, nutty, and chocolate to sell it. With the Kenyan, we used bright, snappy, exciting, acidic, winey. Before I usually had time to say anything else, people would say, &quot;Oh, the Guatemala!&quot;

Smooth and balanced seem to be buzz words with anything, including coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very timely video. We just started selling whole bean and french press brew at our local farmers market &#8211; this is the type of market people go to in order to find very affordable produce and foods, not the type upper class folks go to buy organic and earthy products. </p>
<p>On our first week we sold both a Kenyan and a Guatemalan coffee. What was remarkable is how much quicker and easier it was to sell the Guatemalan coffee. We used words like round, smooth, balanced, nutty, and chocolate to sell it. With the Kenyan, we used bright, snappy, exciting, acidic, winey. Before I usually had time to say anything else, people would say, &#8220;Oh, the Guatemala!&#8221;</p>
<p>Smooth and balanced seem to be buzz words with anything, including coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like selling coffee that is enjoyable to drink. I value the experience itself far more than the ability to describe that experience. Nobody hearing a description of an experience can come close to having it, unless if it motivates them to see for themselves. Sometimes I wish I could just say, &quot;Try this one; you&#039;ll really like it.&quot;  And I think i can justifiably do so because of our shop&#039;s proven track record of satisfying customers with tasty and tactilely pleasant coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like selling coffee that is enjoyable to drink. I value the experience itself far more than the ability to describe that experience. Nobody hearing a description of an experience can come close to having it, unless if it motivates them to see for themselves. Sometimes I wish I could just say, &#8220;Try this one; you&#8217;ll really like it.&#8221;  And I think i can justifiably do so because of our shop&#8217;s proven track record of satisfying customers with tasty and tactilely pleasant coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: triptogenetica</title>
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		<dc:creator>triptogenetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, James, for these pearls of wisdom / streams of consciousness.  Very interesting.  

A lot of what you say makes intuitive sense - and not just in terms of understanding what it is that new-to-coffee consumers percieve in the cup, but (perhaps even more importantly) what turns them on to good coffee in the first place.  

I think I remember you (apologies if i&#039;m misquoting / misattributing someone else&#039;s opinion to you) pointing out that, to the &#039;good&#039; coffee industry, it&#039;s a much larger gain to &#039;convert&#039; one instant-coffee-drinker than it is to fight over those customers who already &#039;get it&#039;.  Additionally, since there are so many instant-coffee-drinkers out there, you only need convert a tiny % to really grow the market for good coffee.  Whereas a fixed pool of well-informed customers get a better experience if the main players cooperate to some degree.  

Anyway - this highlights the importance of understanding what someone new-to-good-coffee thinks - and from what I&#039;ve seen, it&#039;s mostly texture, not flavours, that pull people in.  (There&#039;s a good reason I&#039;d offer someone who &quot;doesn&#039;t like coffee&quot; a single shot capp rather than an espresso - it&#039;s approachable, and up-front delicious).  

You&#039;ve even made me re-evaluate what attracted me to good coffee in the first place.  And as soon as I do, I realize - it was primarily texture, not taste, that did it.  A good capp, with nondescript coffee, but good milk technique, was what started me searching and learning about good coffee.  And I certainly remember the texture, far better than the taste of the coffee.  

Since then, I&#039;ve come to appreciate the beans.  So I&#039;d agree that a french press in every home, for good brewed (black) coffee, is an excellent goal - but perhaps texture in general, and milk drinks (with good texture, not 20oz pails of scalded cow juice) in particular can have a role to play in popularizing good coffee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, James, for these pearls of wisdom / streams of consciousness.  Very interesting.  </p>
<p>A lot of what you say makes intuitive sense &#8211; and not just in terms of understanding what it is that new-to-coffee consumers percieve in the cup, but (perhaps even more importantly) what turns them on to good coffee in the first place.  </p>
<p>I think I remember you (apologies if i&#8217;m misquoting / misattributing someone else&#8217;s opinion to you) pointing out that, to the &#8216;good&#8217; coffee industry, it&#8217;s a much larger gain to &#8216;convert&#8217; one instant-coffee-drinker than it is to fight over those customers who already &#8216;get it&#8217;.  Additionally, since there are so many instant-coffee-drinkers out there, you only need convert a tiny % to really grow the market for good coffee.  Whereas a fixed pool of well-informed customers get a better experience if the main players cooperate to some degree.  </p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; this highlights the importance of understanding what someone new-to-good-coffee thinks &#8211; and from what I&#8217;ve seen, it&#8217;s mostly texture, not flavours, that pull people in.  (There&#8217;s a good reason I&#8217;d offer someone who &#8220;doesn&#8217;t like coffee&#8221; a single shot capp rather than an espresso &#8211; it&#8217;s approachable, and up-front delicious).  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve even made me re-evaluate what attracted me to good coffee in the first place.  And as soon as I do, I realize &#8211; it was primarily texture, not taste, that did it.  A good capp, with nondescript coffee, but good milk technique, was what started me searching and learning about good coffee.  And I certainly remember the texture, far better than the taste of the coffee.  </p>
<p>Since then, I&#8217;ve come to appreciate the beans.  So I&#8217;d agree that a french press in every home, for good brewed (black) coffee, is an excellent goal &#8211; but perhaps texture in general, and milk drinks (with good texture, not 20oz pails of scalded cow juice) in particular can have a role to play in popularizing good coffee?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My broadband&#039;s just crap enough to make watching your video a gently disturbing experience.  Every few seconds it paused on a great gurn/frown/grimace allowing me to contemplate your last point whilst staring at a surreal still of you...for just a little too long for comfort. I wish I could have captured them.

Thanks, I&#039;m guaranteed a wierd nights sleep. Again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My broadband&#8217;s just crap enough to make watching your video a gently disturbing experience.  Every few seconds it paused on a great gurn/frown/grimace allowing me to contemplate your last point whilst staring at a surreal still of you&#8230;for just a little too long for comfort. I wish I could have captured them.</p>
<p>Thanks, I&#8217;m guaranteed a wierd nights sleep. Again.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,

I was thinking about this post over the weekend when I picked up a new beer at the supermarket. It was an IPA, which I like, from a brewery which I like. I wondered what made this beer different from their other IPA and what I might expect in the bottle. On the side of the six-pack package, there was a rather lengthy piece of text, some 400 words or so. I started reading expecting to see flavor notes, brewing techniques, something that would tell me what was in the bottle. As you might have guessed by now, there was nothing until the very last sentence which had a single word about flavor. Instead the copy was a story describing the high desert country where the beer was brewed. It was evocative and certainly made me want to go visit, but it literally had nothing to do with the beer. And it&#039;s not even like the hops or malt were grown in the high desert, it is a desert after all. And yet nearly the whole marketing effort (from a descriptive standpoint) was trying to sell me on an experience or evocative image instead of on the beer itself.

Of course this isn&#039;t a texture versus flavor interpretation as you&#039;ve elaborated on here, but it struck me as perhaps even more relevant for the coffee industry as both are selling liquids and therefore have fewer texture descriptors to work with.

By the way the beer was quite malty, a little less hoppy than most IPAs, and very tasty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p>I was thinking about this post over the weekend when I picked up a new beer at the supermarket. It was an IPA, which I like, from a brewery which I like. I wondered what made this beer different from their other IPA and what I might expect in the bottle. On the side of the six-pack package, there was a rather lengthy piece of text, some 400 words or so. I started reading expecting to see flavor notes, brewing techniques, something that would tell me what was in the bottle. As you might have guessed by now, there was nothing until the very last sentence which had a single word about flavor. Instead the copy was a story describing the high desert country where the beer was brewed. It was evocative and certainly made me want to go visit, but it literally had nothing to do with the beer. And it&#8217;s not even like the hops or malt were grown in the high desert, it is a desert after all. And yet nearly the whole marketing effort (from a descriptive standpoint) was trying to sell me on an experience or evocative image instead of on the beer itself.</p>
<p>Of course this isn&#8217;t a texture versus flavor interpretation as you&#8217;ve elaborated on here, but it struck me as perhaps even more relevant for the coffee industry as both are selling liquids and therefore have fewer texture descriptors to work with.</p>
<p>By the way the beer was quite malty, a little less hoppy than most IPAs, and very tasty.</p>
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		<title>By: gatzke</title>
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		<dc:creator>gatzke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it has a lot to do with the fact that one is a solid and the other is a liquid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it has a lot to do with the fact that one is a solid and the other is a liquid.</p>
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		<title>By: Poul Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poul Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a problem to be obssessed, passion is what IS lacking in most industries today, keep up the honest opinions!</description>
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