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		<title>By: James Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2009/01/05/who-is-to-blame-for-bad-coffee/#comment-101495</link>
		<dc:creator>James Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free, bad coffee? </description>
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		<title>By: Saeco espresso machine</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2009/01/05/who-is-to-blame-for-bad-coffee/#comment-101489</link>
		<dc:creator>Saeco espresso machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James, I really liked your point: &quot;I’ve sent coffee back, they’ve remade it and it was just as awful.  I 
sent it back again.  If just one person does it then a business can 
shrug it off.  Now imagine if a dozen people a day complained.&quot; I have taken your  advice&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.saecoespressomachinereview/saeco-espresso-machine.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;,&lt;/a&gt; and done this and it really pays off - free coffee ! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James, I really liked your point: &#8220;I’ve sent coffee back, they’ve remade it and it was just as awful.  I<br />
sent it back again.  If just one person does it then a business can<br />
shrug it off.  Now imagine if a dozen people a day complained.&#8221; I have taken your  advice<a href="http://www.saecoespressomachinereview/saeco-espresso-machine.com" rel="nofollow">,</a> and done this and it really pays off &#8211; free coffee !</p>
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		<title>By: The1rlaw (James Clark)</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2009/01/05/who-is-to-blame-for-bad-coffee/#comment-101487</link>
		<dc:creator>The1rlaw (James Clark)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See I just dont know anymore. I used to love the stale, over roasted beans. A treat of some pre-ground blue mountain made my month. A well made french press from some Tesco finest beans (pre-ground) tasted delicious. I used to prefer Nero over Starbucks and Costa but didnt care too much either way.

These days. I make a b-line for Prufrock, SensoryLondon and Tapped and Packed and tend to use Hasbean and Squaremile beans in my Syphon, Woodneck and Gaggia - which I felt shamed mentioning. I mean Gaggia? This is hardly top end...

My loving lady though. She used to love a coffee with me. We&#039;d go to Coffee Republic sit and chat over a Latte for the lady, Cappuccino for the gentleman. Since I have &quot;upped my game&quot; however, things have changed.

I&#039;ve taken her to al the best London coffee shops and attempted to dazzle her with some of the best beans in the world. To the same response. &quot;your coffee is discusting, it all tastes like purfume&quot;. very frustrating!

Then I came to the awful conclusion. Some people like &quot;bad&quot; coffee. For some the roast to far IS the coffee. I sometimes feel a little arrogant telling her how bad the coffee she loves is. That usually washes away though when she tells me that she asked the local barista &quot;can you put a little less coffee in that thing? (portafilter).....
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See I just dont know anymore. I used to love the stale, over roasted beans. A treat of some pre-ground blue mountain made my month. A well made french press from some Tesco finest beans (pre-ground) tasted delicious. I used to prefer Nero over Starbucks and Costa but didnt care too much either way.</p>
<p>These days. I make a b-line for Prufrock, SensoryLondon and Tapped and Packed and tend to use Hasbean and Squaremile beans in my Syphon, Woodneck and Gaggia &#8211; which I felt shamed mentioning. I mean Gaggia? This is hardly top end&#8230;</p>
<p>My loving lady though. She used to love a coffee with me. We&#8217;d go to Coffee Republic sit and chat over a Latte for the lady, Cappuccino for the gentleman. Since I have &#8220;upped my game&#8221; however, things have changed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve taken her to al the best London coffee shops and attempted to dazzle her with some of the best beans in the world. To the same response. &#8220;your coffee is discusting, it all tastes like purfume&#8221;. very frustrating!</p>
<p>Then I came to the awful conclusion. Some people like &#8220;bad&#8221; coffee. For some the roast to far IS the coffee. I sometimes feel a little arrogant telling her how bad the coffee she loves is. That usually washes away though when she tells me that she asked the local barista &#8220;can you put a little less coffee in that thing? (portafilter)&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: cat!</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2009/01/05/who-is-to-blame-for-bad-coffee/#comment-100177</link>
		<dc:creator>cat!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Let me tell you the simplest secret why coffee taste so bad!!!! It is not coffee at all. It has neither taste nor aroma of a real coffee. I have tasted every brand of coffee, including Starbucks, even tried so-called Organic coffee. You know what ?They all taste horrible. Either you buy from Aldi or from World Market, they are all the same. They are either tasteless bitter-tasteless, or simply taste like smoked cigarette tobacco.  It has absolutely nothing to do with the water or the way your expresso machine works or the way you roast it. Coffee is coffee, and if it a real one, no matter how you cook it, it must smell and taste like coffee should.What it is , I think is some kind of a hybrid (mix of grass and artificial coffee beans). As of why you might ask me does coffee beans looks like beans and smell like coffee before you brew them? My best bet is that manufacturers simply spray those beans with a coffee aroma and beans are curved into beans, ( sort of like a tablet capsule).
Should you even wonder about why coffee taste so horrible?
It is fraud!Just like majority of tasteless -artificial, plastic American food is. Do the vegetables and fruits smell and taste like they should? Of course, not! They are completely tasteless and don&#039;t even have any aroma. Why? because they were inorganically grown, irradiated, and genetically altered. Thus, everything taste like a grass. Nutritional value? Zero!
As saying goes, &quot; One apple a day , keeps a Doctor away!&quot;. Really? May I correct this, &quot; One apple a day from American supermarkets, brings a Dentist on your way!&quot;. Even apples are tasteless, they are so tough that unless you have some strong teeth, biting into apple guarantee you a broken set of teeth.
When I visited Italy and Austria, I was a coffee addict. Their coffee as well as food is organic , well-cooked. They have a simple vending machine , just like we have in offices with about 7 different types of coffee. They all taste different and are absolutely delicious. One small cup of coffee and you are completely waken up! During the Era of the Soviet Union. Ukraine also had a great coffee. One could have gone to any cafe and get a real coffee.
So, as for the USA !!!! When food is artificial, nothing taste right ! Nutritious value is zero. You want a good food, than you might want to visit European deli, be prepared to have a wallet with hundreds of dollars. Everything is very expensive there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Let me tell you the simplest secret why coffee taste so bad!!!! It is not coffee at all. It has neither taste nor aroma of a real coffee. I have tasted every brand of coffee, including Starbucks, even tried so-called Organic coffee. You know what ?They all taste horrible. Either you buy from Aldi or from World Market, they are all the same. They are either tasteless bitter-tasteless, or simply taste like smoked cigarette tobacco.  It has absolutely nothing to do with the water or the way your expresso machine works or the way you roast it. Coffee is coffee, and if it a real one, no matter how you cook it, it must smell and taste like coffee should.What it is , I think is some kind of a hybrid (mix of grass and artificial coffee beans). As of why you might ask me does coffee beans looks like beans and smell like coffee before you brew them? My best bet is that manufacturers simply spray those beans with a coffee aroma and beans are curved into beans, ( sort of like a tablet capsule).<br />
Should you even wonder about why coffee taste so horrible?<br />
It is fraud!Just like majority of tasteless -artificial, plastic American food is. Do the vegetables and fruits smell and taste like they should? Of course, not! They are completely tasteless and don&#8217;t even have any aroma. Why? because they were inorganically grown, irradiated, and genetically altered. Thus, everything taste like a grass. Nutritional value? Zero!<br />
As saying goes, &#8221; One apple a day , keeps a Doctor away!&#8221;. Really? May I correct this, &#8221; One apple a day from American supermarkets, brings a Dentist on your way!&#8221;. Even apples are tasteless, they are so tough that unless you have some strong teeth, biting into apple guarantee you a broken set of teeth.<br />
When I visited Italy and Austria, I was a coffee addict. Their coffee as well as food is organic , well-cooked. They have a simple vending machine , just like we have in offices with about 7 different types of coffee. They all taste different and are absolutely delicious. One small cup of coffee and you are completely waken up! During the Era of the Soviet Union. Ukraine also had a great coffee. One could have gone to any cafe and get a real coffee.<br />
So, as for the USA !!!! When food is artificial, nothing taste right ! Nutritious value is zero. You want a good food, than you might want to visit European deli, be prepared to have a wallet with hundreds of dollars. Everything is very expensive there.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2009/01/05/who-is-to-blame-for-bad-coffee/#comment-95617</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a lot of great views in this post, trying to find the best route to the ultimate goal of better quality coffee/espresso and not being afraid of the Barista (either because of poor service or because of what you might taste).  I think the consumer cannot be to blame when they have never experienced good coffee.  That is where a conversion experience (so to speak) needs to occur.  It starts with meeting a person who drinks coffee and taking the time to walk them through the idiosyncrasies of the coffee process bringing them to an exceptional taste experience.  Each person is going to be in a different place and not all of them are going to care.  It is all centered around giving a consumer a great taste experience that is the ultimate &quot;argument&quot;.  

that leads to the roaster/retailer.  this is much more complicated because it involves the barista, the retail manager/owner and the wholesale roaster.  lets start with the barista.  Imagine you are a barista at a &quot;cool&quot; place where you think you are producing an amazing product, but in reality it is not so good (this probably isn&#039;t a stretch for most of us since we all probably started there).  When a customer comes to you and informs you that it sucks that is quite a blow to ones ego.  I feel that unless there is some kind of relationship established that informing a barista that the espresso is bad may not work.  The approach that i like to take is to ask the Barista their name and find out their level of interest in learning about coffee.  If they have an interest i then share with them some of my experience as a barista and roaster then ask them if they would be interested in way to learn more about their craft.  If they say yes, great i can either invite them to come to our warehouse/retail location for a pubic cupping or share with them some preparation tips on the spot.  This usually works well and i usually get a free espresso that is usually better.  In a lot of cases the barista doesn&#039;t care and that is a lost cause.  As for the manager a similar approach works well and you also get an opportunity to give them some insight into differing roaster/wholesalers, which might lead to a new account.  If you do not represent a roaster/wholesaler then you may be limited to offering preparation tips and hoping that your next visit will be better (even if you never return you will have improved the experience of the all the future customers).  Finally, the roaster/ retailer very well might lose some customers which may lead them to create or improve their training program.  What I have found works best to improve roaster/wholesale training in the St. Louis area is the Barista Competition. The competition lays out for the spectators (the customer) which roaster has a greater understanding of the complete process and what goes into making great espresso and providing good service.  This motivates barista to learn more roasters to step up and consumers to gain an experience of great coffee.  I don&#039;t think Barista Competition is the answer, i think the answer is in establishing relationships where you can provide an exceptional coffee experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of great views in this post, trying to find the best route to the ultimate goal of better quality coffee/espresso and not being afraid of the Barista (either because of poor service or because of what you might taste).  I think the consumer cannot be to blame when they have never experienced good coffee.  That is where a conversion experience (so to speak) needs to occur.  It starts with meeting a person who drinks coffee and taking the time to walk them through the idiosyncrasies of the coffee process bringing them to an exceptional taste experience.  Each person is going to be in a different place and not all of them are going to care.  It is all centered around giving a consumer a great taste experience that is the ultimate &#8220;argument&#8221;.  </p>
<p>that leads to the roaster/retailer.  this is much more complicated because it involves the barista, the retail manager/owner and the wholesale roaster.  lets start with the barista.  Imagine you are a barista at a &#8220;cool&#8221; place where you think you are producing an amazing product, but in reality it is not so good (this probably isn&#8217;t a stretch for most of us since we all probably started there).  When a customer comes to you and informs you that it sucks that is quite a blow to ones ego.  I feel that unless there is some kind of relationship established that informing a barista that the espresso is bad may not work.  The approach that i like to take is to ask the Barista their name and find out their level of interest in learning about coffee.  If they have an interest i then share with them some of my experience as a barista and roaster then ask them if they would be interested in way to learn more about their craft.  If they say yes, great i can either invite them to come to our warehouse/retail location for a pubic cupping or share with them some preparation tips on the spot.  This usually works well and i usually get a free espresso that is usually better.  In a lot of cases the barista doesn&#8217;t care and that is a lost cause.  As for the manager a similar approach works well and you also get an opportunity to give them some insight into differing roaster/wholesalers, which might lead to a new account.  If you do not represent a roaster/wholesaler then you may be limited to offering preparation tips and hoping that your next visit will be better (even if you never return you will have improved the experience of the all the future customers).  Finally, the roaster/ retailer very well might lose some customers which may lead them to create or improve their training program.  What I have found works best to improve roaster/wholesale training in the St. Louis area is the Barista Competition. The competition lays out for the spectators (the customer) which roaster has a greater understanding of the complete process and what goes into making great espresso and providing good service.  This motivates barista to learn more roasters to step up and consumers to gain an experience of great coffee.  I don&#8217;t think Barista Competition is the answer, i think the answer is in establishing relationships where you can provide an exceptional coffee experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Money Academy</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2009/01/05/who-is-to-blame-for-bad-coffee/#comment-95227</link>
		<dc:creator>Money Academy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with you , but consumer should &quot;ask&quot; for good service so the seller will do his best to make him satisfied</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with you , but consumer should &#8220;ask&#8221; for good service so the seller will do his best to make him satisfied</p>
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		<title>By: John Test</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2009/01/05/who-is-to-blame-for-bad-coffee/#comment-94629</link>
		<dc:creator>John Test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in a normal end, if you taste a bad coffee, there is no choice for you but to change the brand of coffee or go to the other coffee shop, bad coffee = bad business, but one have its own taste, so not giving much punctuation on the equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in a normal end, if you taste a bad coffee, there is no choice for you but to change the brand of coffee or go to the other coffee shop, bad coffee = bad business, but one have its own taste, so not giving much punctuation on the equation.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2009/01/05/who-is-to-blame-for-bad-coffee/#comment-94282</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have quite often felt bad taking Coffee&#039;s back to clearly untrained part time staff as if I&#039;m, sort of know it all when my knowledge in Coffee is small compared to guys like yourself.
Generally now I always have a Hot chocolate just in case!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have quite often felt bad taking Coffee&#8217;s back to clearly untrained part time staff as if I&#8217;m, sort of know it all when my knowledge in Coffee is small compared to guys like yourself.<br />
Generally now I always have a Hot chocolate just in case!</p>
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		<title>By: James Hoffmann</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2009/01/05/who-is-to-blame-for-bad-coffee/#comment-92493</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hoffmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lou!

Costa are a great example of a company whose training seems to result in a staff who believe that knowing the process is the same as understanding the process.  (It is fairly common too, but as we are hating on Costa.....)

If everyone who had an experience like this pretty much boycotted the chain responsible then I think we would see change pretty quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lou!</p>
<p>Costa are a great example of a company whose training seems to result in a staff who believe that knowing the process is the same as understanding the process.  (It is fairly common too, but as we are hating on Costa&#8230;..)</p>
<p>If everyone who had an experience like this pretty much boycotted the chain responsible then I think we would see change pretty quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hoffmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Hoffmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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