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		<title>By: sam jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have competed and judged and organized competitions in the past. I have issues with the regional support that comes from the WBC. My first regional comp that I help I had sanctioned from the SCAA. There was no guidelines that I had to follow. It was assumed that I knew what I was doing!? Having been through the western Canadians a few times I can say that the judging and general organization needs some help. This is where the WBC can and should get involved. It is fine to say that the rules must be followed , but who is making sure that this is happening? The judges are picked by a qualified head judge. The judges though are not necessarily sanctioned or qualified. This year was a good example of this. 
-One set of judges for 12 competitor back to back .
-one round of competing, no finals.
-one tech judge (at least one that I am sure of) has no judging experience at all. Not even sensory!
-one sensory judge who is a good roaster is a self professed cafe hermit (never goes anywhere for coffee). How can this person judge with no references out side their own coffee profile? This person was asked because of their relationship with the head judge and the fact that at the last minute there was no one else to ask.
-the other judge is the owner of a cafe where they buy the coffee of the two top competitors. The unexperienced tech judge is his employee and the M.C. is his partner.

I could go on but I do not want to be thought of as a bitcher. I highlight this to emphasize the fact that the WBC needs to take control of the regionals or run the risk of loosing the faith of the public. There are a lot of great things about the competitions, but this will be the last time that I participate in the fun. I am looking forward to the time I can support a &quot;blind&quot; competition. I think this will be the future of Barista (espresso) comps. That is my two bits, anyone have any great ideas for the next generation of competitions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have competed and judged and organized competitions in the past. I have issues with the regional support that comes from the WBC. My first regional comp that I help I had sanctioned from the SCAA. There was no guidelines that I had to follow. It was assumed that I knew what I was doing!? Having been through the western Canadians a few times I can say that the judging and general organization needs some help. This is where the WBC can and should get involved. It is fine to say that the rules must be followed , but who is making sure that this is happening? The judges are picked by a qualified head judge. The judges though are not necessarily sanctioned or qualified. This year was a good example of this.<br />
-One set of judges for 12 competitor back to back .<br />
-one round of competing, no finals.<br />
-one tech judge (at least one that I am sure of) has no judging experience at all. Not even sensory!<br />
-one sensory judge who is a good roaster is a self professed cafe hermit (never goes anywhere for coffee). How can this person judge with no references out side their own coffee profile? This person was asked because of their relationship with the head judge and the fact that at the last minute there was no one else to ask.<br />
-the other judge is the owner of a cafe where they buy the coffee of the two top competitors. The unexperienced tech judge is his employee and the M.C. is his partner.</p>
<p>I could go on but I do not want to be thought of as a bitcher. I highlight this to emphasize the fact that the WBC needs to take control of the regionals or run the risk of loosing the faith of the public. There are a lot of great things about the competitions, but this will be the last time that I participate in the fun. I am looking forward to the time I can support a &#8220;blind&#8221; competition. I think this will be the future of Barista (espresso) comps. That is my two bits, anyone have any great ideas for the next generation of competitions?</p>
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		<title>By: Abe Carmeli</title>
		<link>http://www.jimseven.com/2008/02/03/barista-competition-judging/#comment-88814</link>
		<dc:creator>Abe Carmeli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 13:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey James,

I&#039;m going to leave the rules in peace for now, though I do think they should be changed, and talk about blank score sheets. 

From my experience of judging both regionals and national competitions, the sad truth is that the baristas just don&#039;t care to listen.  I happen to be one of those judges who take meticulous notes to explain my scores, and I&#039;ve written extensively about the experience of judging and my perception of how baristas should approach a competition to improve their performance. Sadly, there&#039;s nobody out there.  In the U.S., for the past two years, they have introduced a post competition debriefing in which judges are available to go over the score sheet with the baristas.  It is a great opportunity not only to explain the score, but to point out where improvement is needed, and how to do better next time. I could count on one hand with a few fingers to spare, the number of baristas that stay for the debriefing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey James,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to leave the rules in peace for now, though I do think they should be changed, and talk about blank score sheets. </p>
<p>From my experience of judging both regionals and national competitions, the sad truth is that the baristas just don&#8217;t care to listen.  I happen to be one of those judges who take meticulous notes to explain my scores, and I&#8217;ve written extensively about the experience of judging and my perception of how baristas should approach a competition to improve their performance. Sadly, there&#8217;s nobody out there.  In the U.S., for the past two years, they have introduced a post competition debriefing in which judges are available to go over the score sheet with the baristas.  It is a great opportunity not only to explain the score, but to point out where improvement is needed, and how to do better next time. I could count on one hand with a few fingers to spare, the number of baristas that stay for the debriefing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Epp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Epp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just judged my first competition.  WOW!!!  I saw a LOT of great stuff produced.  

The training was an all day affair with a fair amount of time spent with three different baristas pulling shot after shot/capp and us tasting according the the competition sheets.  It even included a mock competition (minus Sig drink) in real time.

I tasted several drinks that I liked, but had to score lower according to the rules.  The reverse was also true.

As much as humanly possible, the rules for scoring remove the personal preference bias.  All competitors have access to the score sheets that will be used on them in competition.  Some choose to push/break the rules in one area because they feel they can make it up in other areas.  That is their choice.

What the seasoned judges kept telling us was to concentrate on the words next to the numbers we were to use for scoring, NOT the numbers themselves. 

A couple of times I wanted to give a high number on a Sig drink.  I had some that were really enjoyable, but the coffee part of the equation got lost in everything  that was put in it.  That, and the fact that so many competitors forgot to connect the ingredients in their Sig drink to the COFFEE.

I know after going through the Judges Training I am going to be much more critical of my performance in the shop.  I know that getting a &quot;3&quot; (means GOOD) is not a bad thing, but I don&#039;t want to serve just &#039;GOOD&#039; to my customers.  I want to serve better than that.

Right now I don&#039;t know if anything does need to be done to change the scoring format.  Things may need to be &quot;tweaked&quot; from time to time, but it seems pretty good to me.  As long as people can commit to judging by the score sheets, and their rules, instead of personal bias for drink taste, or the person competing, then it should be fine.    But as small as the coffee world is getting here in the States, the only way to try and avoid this would be to fly people in from completely different regions for judging.  But I don&#039;t see that happening any time soon unless someone extreeeeeemely wealthy sets up an endowment for air fair and hotels.

I like the challenge of judging and hope to do it again as soon as I can get the time away from the shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just judged my first competition.  WOW!!!  I saw a LOT of great stuff produced.  </p>
<p>The training was an all day affair with a fair amount of time spent with three different baristas pulling shot after shot/capp and us tasting according the the competition sheets.  It even included a mock competition (minus Sig drink) in real time.</p>
<p>I tasted several drinks that I liked, but had to score lower according to the rules.  The reverse was also true.</p>
<p>As much as humanly possible, the rules for scoring remove the personal preference bias.  All competitors have access to the score sheets that will be used on them in competition.  Some choose to push/break the rules in one area because they feel they can make it up in other areas.  That is their choice.</p>
<p>What the seasoned judges kept telling us was to concentrate on the words next to the numbers we were to use for scoring, NOT the numbers themselves. </p>
<p>A couple of times I wanted to give a high number on a Sig drink.  I had some that were really enjoyable, but the coffee part of the equation got lost in everything  that was put in it.  That, and the fact that so many competitors forgot to connect the ingredients in their Sig drink to the COFFEE.</p>
<p>I know after going through the Judges Training I am going to be much more critical of my performance in the shop.  I know that getting a &#8220;3&#8243; (means GOOD) is not a bad thing, but I don&#8217;t want to serve just &#8216;GOOD&#8217; to my customers.  I want to serve better than that.</p>
<p>Right now I don&#8217;t know if anything does need to be done to change the scoring format.  Things may need to be &#8220;tweaked&#8221; from time to time, but it seems pretty good to me.  As long as people can commit to judging by the score sheets, and their rules, instead of personal bias for drink taste, or the person competing, then it should be fine.    But as small as the coffee world is getting here in the States, the only way to try and avoid this would be to fly people in from completely different regions for judging.  But I don&#8217;t see that happening any time soon unless someone extreeeeeemely wealthy sets up an endowment for air fair and hotels.</p>
<p>I like the challenge of judging and hope to do it again as soon as I can get the time away from the shop.</p>
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		<title>By: Edson Ishida</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edson Ishida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish Brazil had someone opened minded to organize this kind of events...

I&#039;m not a competitor nor a Judge, but I&#039;ve been watching this Championships  the last 3 years and got very disappointed with it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish Brazil had someone opened minded to organize this kind of events&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a competitor nor a Judge, but I&#8217;ve been watching this Championships  the last 3 years and got very disappointed with it..</p>
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		<title>By: Emma MW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emma MW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James
And well said.
I feel all judges should write the reason a drink was scored, whatever the score may be, and stand by it. Lower than a three yes, but also why was my drink very good? I understand as a former competitor and WBC Judge, how important the feedback is! Back in 2002 you never recived any feedback or ever saw your judging sheets. So it has moved forward and evolved over the years, yet there is still vast room for improvement. I feel that the segregation of the judges and competitors can sometimes be unhealthy, but in turn understand the reason why, the old catch 22! As a competitor you only get chance to connect or share thoughts and opinions after the events with the judges, which often has limited time constraints. The Judges must also be able to connect and understand the competitor, and sometimes this may not happen. The Judge may understand the elements but have they stood behind the machine? I’ll probably get told off for that one, but hey, if not! why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James<br />
And well said.<br />
I feel all judges should write the reason a drink was scored, whatever the score may be, and stand by it. Lower than a three yes, but also why was my drink very good? I understand as a former competitor and WBC Judge, how important the feedback is! Back in 2002 you never recived any feedback or ever saw your judging sheets. So it has moved forward and evolved over the years, yet there is still vast room for improvement. I feel that the segregation of the judges and competitors can sometimes be unhealthy, but in turn understand the reason why, the old catch 22! As a competitor you only get chance to connect or share thoughts and opinions after the events with the judges, which often has limited time constraints. The Judges must also be able to connect and understand the competitor, and sometimes this may not happen. The Judge may understand the elements but have they stood behind the machine? I’ll probably get told off for that one, but hey, if not! why not?</p>
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		<title>By: The Onocoffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Onocoffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I like Luca&#039;s point about the grinder docking and the belief that James&#039; use of the Mahlkonig has &quot;corrected&quot; that problem, I don&#039;t know if that will be the case.  Unfortunately, there is no continuity in the judging.  Just because it was &quot;okay&quot; to use at the WBC, doesn&#039;t not mean that it will be &quot;okay&quot; at nationals or regionals around the world.  This is an area the WBC needs to address.

I would also like to see the score revealed after the competitors&#039; performance.  Currently, scores are held until after the competition - effectively eliminating a teams&#039; chance to challenge or contest a ruling.  This creates a severe problem when a competitor may have access to insider information - a problem that seemed to have occured during the 2006 USBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I like Luca&#8217;s point about the grinder docking and the belief that James&#8217; use of the Mahlkonig has &#8220;corrected&#8221; that problem, I don&#8217;t know if that will be the case.  Unfortunately, there is no continuity in the judging.  Just because it was &#8220;okay&#8221; to use at the WBC, doesn&#8217;t not mean that it will be &#8220;okay&#8221; at nationals or regionals around the world.  This is an area the WBC needs to address.</p>
<p>I would also like to see the score revealed after the competitors&#8217; performance.  Currently, scores are held until after the competition &#8211; effectively eliminating a teams&#8217; chance to challenge or contest a ruling.  This creates a severe problem when a competitor may have access to insider information &#8211; a problem that seemed to have occured during the 2006 USBC.</p>
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		<title>By: Luca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, before I forget, I think that Keith from AASCA has made an awesome spreadsheet that works out how differently judges are judging from the mean and corrects for judges who judge too harshly or generously.  That&#039;s only really important where the judges change between competitors, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, before I forget, I think that Keith from AASCA has made an awesome spreadsheet that works out how differently judges are judging from the mean and corrects for judges who judge too harshly or generously.  That&#8217;s only really important where the judges change between competitors, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Luca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 12:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a few thoughts:

Scoring: I don&#039;t think that there is a problem with the score system, provided that the judges apply it fairly to everyone.  Competitors can just add four in their head to get to a score out of ten.  That way, &quot;average&quot; works out to be 5/10, which is probably more intuitively satisfying.  I guess it&#039;s sort of like cupping on the traditional scale where 50 points are always added and cuppers use the cuppers correction to take away points for anything that they want to score below 50.  So we could do something like re-writing the scoresheets with the /6 scores as /10 scores, then just subtract 4 before multiplying each so that the numbers used remain the same.  Frankly, though, seeing as this doesn&#039;t change the information that the numbers convey, I don&#039;t really see that it&#039;s a big issue.

Feedback:  I agree 100% that judges need to give as much feedback as is humanly possible.  Even if a competitor comes dead last, that competitor should have a positive experience that sets him or her on the path to improvement.  Given that the comments fields on the score sheets are so tiny, it&#039;s not unreasonable to expect that they are filled for every competitor.  Justin Metcalf also sets the expectation that all judges stay back after the event until every competitor has had a chance to talk with them.  That way, everyone gets to ask &quot;what more did you want?&quot;

Transparency, insider information and consistency:  It&#039;s so true that everyone feels that they have to have insider information and, imho, that&#039;s by far the worst part of the current competition format.  I don&#039;t think that anyone expects that judges will automatically know everything.  It&#039;s perfectly reasonable that they might need to confer to decide how to interpret something, given that people are always trying new things at competitions.  Once that happens, everyone needs to judge consistently, though.  It is utterly ludicrous, for example, for one judge to be permitted to dock points from a signature drink for it not having a spoon with it, whilst the other three judges don&#039;t.  It&#039;s either one or the other.  It&#039;s ridiculous for some judges to dock points for knowledge of grinder because someone chooses to use a Mahlkoenig (thanks for eliminating that problem, James ;P) or a grinder with a timer.  If these sorts of inconsistencies exist, the head judge is not doing their job.

Basically, what I would like to see is a competition culture where competitors are able to contact the head judge to ask questions before the competition, when it would be too late to change anything.  Once a ruling is given, that should be binding for that particular competition and the ruling should be published on the relevant specialty coffee association&#039;s webpage - a similar idea to the wiki, I guess.  To prevent last minute problems, there should be a cutoff for questions a few weeks before each competition - after that, it&#039;s fair enough to let competitors take their chances.

Judging the judges:  Comparing each judge&#039;s scores with each other judge&#039;s scores isn&#039;t novel, nor is it particularly difficult.  I think that each specialty coffee association should maintain a register and use the information to decide which people judge the finals.  They might not give the same absolute scores as one might get at the worlds, but at least it would remove some of the random variation to help to make sure that the finalists feel that the final ranking is right.

Cheers,

Luca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a few thoughts:</p>
<p>Scoring: I don&#8217;t think that there is a problem with the score system, provided that the judges apply it fairly to everyone.  Competitors can just add four in their head to get to a score out of ten.  That way, &#8220;average&#8221; works out to be 5/10, which is probably more intuitively satisfying.  I guess it&#8217;s sort of like cupping on the traditional scale where 50 points are always added and cuppers use the cuppers correction to take away points for anything that they want to score below 50.  So we could do something like re-writing the scoresheets with the /6 scores as /10 scores, then just subtract 4 before multiplying each so that the numbers used remain the same.  Frankly, though, seeing as this doesn&#8217;t change the information that the numbers convey, I don&#8217;t really see that it&#8217;s a big issue.</p>
<p>Feedback:  I agree 100% that judges need to give as much feedback as is humanly possible.  Even if a competitor comes dead last, that competitor should have a positive experience that sets him or her on the path to improvement.  Given that the comments fields on the score sheets are so tiny, it&#8217;s not unreasonable to expect that they are filled for every competitor.  Justin Metcalf also sets the expectation that all judges stay back after the event until every competitor has had a chance to talk with them.  That way, everyone gets to ask &#8220;what more did you want?&#8221;</p>
<p>Transparency, insider information and consistency:  It&#8217;s so true that everyone feels that they have to have insider information and, imho, that&#8217;s by far the worst part of the current competition format.  I don&#8217;t think that anyone expects that judges will automatically know everything.  It&#8217;s perfectly reasonable that they might need to confer to decide how to interpret something, given that people are always trying new things at competitions.  Once that happens, everyone needs to judge consistently, though.  It is utterly ludicrous, for example, for one judge to be permitted to dock points from a signature drink for it not having a spoon with it, whilst the other three judges don&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s either one or the other.  It&#8217;s ridiculous for some judges to dock points for knowledge of grinder because someone chooses to use a Mahlkoenig (thanks for eliminating that problem, James ;P) or a grinder with a timer.  If these sorts of inconsistencies exist, the head judge is not doing their job.</p>
<p>Basically, what I would like to see is a competition culture where competitors are able to contact the head judge to ask questions before the competition, when it would be too late to change anything.  Once a ruling is given, that should be binding for that particular competition and the ruling should be published on the relevant specialty coffee association&#8217;s webpage &#8211; a similar idea to the wiki, I guess.  To prevent last minute problems, there should be a cutoff for questions a few weeks before each competition &#8211; after that, it&#8217;s fair enough to let competitors take their chances.</p>
<p>Judging the judges:  Comparing each judge&#8217;s scores with each other judge&#8217;s scores isn&#8217;t novel, nor is it particularly difficult.  I think that each specialty coffee association should maintain a register and use the information to decide which people judge the finals.  They might not give the same absolute scores as one might get at the worlds, but at least it would remove some of the random variation to help to make sure that the finalists feel that the final ranking is right.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Luca</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve judged in the U.S. and I think the judge&#039;s training and the calibration during score review does a good job defining what drinks deserve what score. 

You could argue the words used could be better somehow, but judges learn what they mean and apply them consistently.

A problem could be that the competitors aren&#039;t trained in the meanings in the same way the judges are, and this leads to confusion and disappointment when they don&#039;t share the &quot;judges definition&quot;.

Judges should be giving good feedback on the scores regardless if they are below a certain number or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve judged in the U.S. and I think the judge&#8217;s training and the calibration during score review does a good job defining what drinks deserve what score. </p>
<p>You could argue the words used could be better somehow, but judges learn what they mean and apply them consistently.</p>
<p>A problem could be that the competitors aren&#8217;t trained in the meanings in the same way the judges are, and this leads to confusion and disappointment when they don&#8217;t share the &#8220;judges definition&#8221;.</p>
<p>Judges should be giving good feedback on the scores regardless if they are below a certain number or not.</p>
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		<title>By: mentess/stuartlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>mentess/stuartlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morning Anthony

Granted, it is a one way conversation. I think that what I am trying to do, and what I&#039;ve seen other do well, Jim especially, is put the judges in an frame of mind where it is easy for them to award good points scores. There is definatly a leeway there to take advantage of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morning Anthony</p>
<p>Granted, it is a one way conversation. I think that what I am trying to do, and what I&#8217;ve seen other do well, Jim especially, is put the judges in an frame of mind where it is easy for them to award good points scores. There is definatly a leeway there to take advantage of.</p>
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