Comments on: Take out cups – the tail wagging the dog http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog James Hoffmann's blog. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:29:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Troydense http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-88638 Troydense Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:27:16 +0000 http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-88638 I have a solely takeaway mobile coffee business and have found that by tweaking the dose and only serving doubles(unless requested otherwise) my drinks define themselves tastewise. I am using Solo cups, 8oz for cappas and flat-whites and 12oz for lattes. I must admit I don't fill the 8oz completely so as to replicate the proportions of a ceramic cup. The latte drinkers generally find the strength spot-on, and for short espresso drinks I have disposable 4oz cups which I found in Hungary whilst on holiday.(I have demi's on hand, but obviously no dishwasher, so only my first couple of privileged espresso drinkers get to drink from porcelain. New Zealander's still love their big milky coffees though. I have a solely takeaway mobile coffee business and have found that by tweaking the dose and only serving doubles(unless requested otherwise) my drinks define themselves tastewise. I am using Solo cups, 8oz for cappas and flat-whites and 12oz for lattes.
I must admit I don’t fill the 8oz completely so as to replicate the proportions of a ceramic cup.
The latte drinkers generally find the strength spot-on, and for short espresso drinks I have disposable 4oz cups which I found in Hungary whilst on holiday.(I have demi’s on hand, but obviously no dishwasher, so only my first couple of privileged espresso drinkers get to drink from porcelain.
New Zealander’s still love their big milky coffees though.

]]> By: Chris Weaver http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-88619 Chris Weaver Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:35:54 +0000 http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-88619 Yeh I'm with Jim on this one, when we go to all the hassle perfecting drinks in store, its annoying to have to mess around tweakins drinks to go,some people were mentioning 2.5 shots, but I'm loathe to throw away 1.5 shots as we dont use single portafilters. Whilst I appreciate the links people put up for cups, it seems to me very few people have perfected cups like solo, namely their lids which are a perfect fit and almost a standard, so I think putting some pressure on Solo could be a good idea, and be prepared, as coffee shops,to pay the premium that comes with a new product! Yeh I’m with Jim on this one, when we go to all the hassle perfecting drinks in store, its annoying to have to mess around tweakins drinks to go,some people were mentioning 2.5 shots, but I’m loathe to throw away 1.5 shots as we dont use single portafilters.

Whilst I appreciate the links people put up for cups, it seems to me very few people have perfected cups like solo, namely their lids which are a perfect fit and almost a standard, so I think putting some pressure on Solo could be a good idea, and be prepared, as coffee shops,to pay the premium that comes with a new product!

]]> By: Shadybob http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-88602 Shadybob Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:01:55 +0000 http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-88602 Solo do make a 6oz cup & traveler lid. Both available in an assortment of colours. Solo do make a 6oz cup & traveler lid. Both available in an assortment of colours.

]]> By: The Cappuccino Conundrum. « The Bean Vagrant http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-59678 The Cappuccino Conundrum. « The Bean Vagrant Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:10:35 +0000 http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-59678 [...] where do I stand on the issue? I think the best way to differentiate between the two drinks is simply by the difference in the type of texture we achieve when steaming [...] [...] where do I stand on the issue? I think the best way to differentiate between the two drinks is simply by the difference in the type of texture we achieve when steaming [...]

]]> By: Sssooooooooyyyyyaaaaaaa « Slow Graffiti http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-55664 Sssooooooooyyyyyaaaaaaa « Slow Graffiti Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:48:29 +0000 http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-55664 [...] my next task is to convince my boss to switch from Cadbury hot chocky mix (to differentiate between a cappuccino and a latte of course…) to [...] [...] my next task is to convince my boss to switch from Cadbury hot chocky mix (to differentiate between a cappuccino and a latte of course…) to [...]

]]> By: jim http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-55347 jim Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:59:37 +0000 http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-55347 Certainly in the UK in the past the drinks were served in the same sizes, though sadly I don't think we can use old practises as a barometer for quality. I think the difference in taste between a 6oz drink with 1cm and 2cm is minimal, and I believe that the important distinguishing feature of each drink should be its taste and not the foam. I can only say that I prefer a capp with 2cm of foam on top, and I don't like as much foam in my latte but either way I more concerned about the taste blend of coffee and milk. Cappuccino got its name from the strength of the drink, as did the latte and the UKs old practise of distinguishing between them by the use of chocolate powder is lazy and just another in a catalogue of reasons why coffee, in general, tastes so bad here. Certainly in the UK in the past the drinks were served in the same sizes, though sadly I don’t think we can use old practises as a barometer for quality.

I think the difference in taste between a 6oz drink with 1cm and 2cm is minimal, and I believe that the important distinguishing feature of each drink should be its taste and not the foam.

I can only say that I prefer a capp with 2cm of foam on top, and I don’t like as much foam in my latte but either way I more concerned about the taste blend of coffee and milk. Cappuccino got its name from the strength of the drink, as did the latte and the UKs old practise of distinguishing between them by the use of chocolate powder is lazy and just another in a catalogue of reasons why coffee, in general, tastes so bad here.

]]> By: Alistair http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-55346 Alistair Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:28:35 +0000 http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-55346 I understand this. But since latte art has become all the rage it seems that all milk drinks are made with the same micro foamed milk. In the past a latte was made in the same size cup, but the proportion of milk to foam higher, therefore creating a milder coffee. It now seems that a latte has become a cappuccino just served in a larger cup so that more micro foam can be added to dilute the drink. I understand this. But since latte art has become all the rage it seems that all milk drinks are made with the same micro foamed milk. In the past a latte was made in the same size cup, but the proportion of milk to foam higher, therefore creating a milder coffee. It now seems that a latte has become a cappuccino just served in a larger cup so that more micro foam can be added to dilute the drink.

]]> By: jim http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-55320 jim Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:42:04 +0000 http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-55320 Traditionally a cappuccino has a stronger coffee taste than a latte - hence more milk diluting the shot which can only really be done in different vessels. Traditionally a cappuccino has a stronger coffee taste than a latte – hence more milk diluting the shot which can only really be done in different vessels.

]]> By: Alistair http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-55318 Alistair Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:00:34 +0000 http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-55318 Something that seems to come up in cup size discussions, is that a lot of places serve single shot cappuccinos and latte in different sizes. i.e. 6oz cappuccino and 8oz latte. Why is this? Something that seems to come up in cup size discussions, is that a lot of places serve single shot cappuccinos and latte in different sizes. i.e. 6oz cappuccino and 8oz latte. Why is this?

]]> By: The Onocoffee http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-54968 The Onocoffee Sun, 08 Jul 2007 04:23:22 +0000 http://www.jimseven.com/2007/07/03/take-out-cups-the-tail-wagging-the-dog/#comment-54968 I don't find myself perplexed about this topic at all. In our shop, we offer 8z, 12z and 16z paper cups "to go" and a 6z Illy capp cup for in house cappuccinos (we also have a 5.5z tulip capp cup for those stupid USBC/WBC standard drinks, if someone absolutely, positively has to have one). The 8z paper is very versatile because we can pour a double shot 6z capp or a double shot 8z latte in the same cup. The 12z and 16z cups get two and three shots each, respectively. When a customer comes up and asks for a 12z or 16z "cappuccino", we tell them sorry but we only have one size cappuccino - and that's the only size cappuccino you're going to get. We also have 4z paper cups for the one customer who absolutely must have his double shot espresso in a to-go cup. He's bloody weird, but we've accepted him and his odd penchant. We also use this cup (sans lid) for people who also must have their macchiato "to go." I don’t find myself perplexed about this topic at all.

In our shop, we offer 8z, 12z and 16z paper cups “to go” and a 6z Illy capp cup for in house cappuccinos (we also have a 5.5z tulip capp cup for those stupid USBC/WBC standard drinks, if someone absolutely, positively has to have one).

The 8z paper is very versatile because we can pour a double shot 6z capp or a double shot 8z latte in the same cup. The 12z and 16z cups get two and three shots each, respectively.

When a customer comes up and asks for a 12z or 16z “cappuccino”, we tell them sorry but we only have one size cappuccino – and that’s the only size cappuccino you’re going to get.

We also have 4z paper cups for the one customer who absolutely must have his double shot espresso in a to-go cup. He’s bloody weird, but we’ve accepted him and his odd penchant. We also use this cup (sans lid) for people who also must have their macchiato “to go.”

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